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The cattle-raids kept their scribes
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Claim (verbatim)
The learned tale-lists group their titles by narrative type through the plural prefixes that open each block - Tana and Togla, Tochmarca and oitte, Immrama and Echtrai, Fisi and Tomadmann (eruptions of lakes), Tochomlada (migrations). Survival should not be blind to that grouping. The tales bound into the great cycles that medieval Ireland kept recopying - above all the Ulster Cycle gathered around Tain Bo Cuailnge, with its cattle-raids, destructions, and violent deaths - had an institutional gravity the freestanding curiosities lacked; a Togail or a Tain sat inside a living narrative complex that scribes maintained, while a Tomadmann or a Tochomlad was an isolated antiquarian item nobody was obliged to reproduce. The prefix, in other words, is a rough index of custody, and custody is what survival tracks. Restated: the survival rate of the best-attested title-type in the lists (the Togla / Tana block anchored to the Ulster Cycle) will exceed that of the worst-attested type by at least a factor of three. The canon did not sink evenly: the raids and destructions that belonged to the great cycle kept their copyists, and the lake-eruptions and migrations drowned.
Prediction clause (verbatim)
Prediction: grouping the tale-list titles by their narrative-type prefix and scoring survival within each group against CELT and the manuscript record, the survival rate of the best-attested type (the Togla / Tana and Ulster-Cycle-anchored block) will exceed that of the worst-attested type by at least a factor of three (primary clause: the >=3x best-over-worst type survival ratio; the verdict follows it). Only prefix-groups with at least eight listed titles are eligible, so the ratio cannot be driven by a two-title category; survival is scored identically across groups. The test voids for coverage if fewer than four eligible prefix-groups can be populated.
Kill-dataset (verbatim)
Kill: Mac Cana's tale-lists (1980) partitioned by title-prefix, each group's titles matched against CELT (celt.ucc.ie) and the CODECS catalogue (van Hamel Foundation) - compare per-group survival rates across the narrative types.
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Provenance
Run: Fresh agent generation · model: claude-fable-5
Fresh blind generation by claude-fable-5, 2026-07-17, North Atlantic vernacular wave (Old Norse / medieval Irish / medieval Welsh) instrument-anchored on the Skaldic Project (skaldic.org), CELT (celt.ucc.ie) with eDIL (dil.ie), and the printed censuses (Mac Cana 1980; Bromwich TYP 3rd ed. 2006; Thurneysen 1921): every Kill names a real open corpus or printed edition and a countable operation on a self-index of loss (catalogue-to-corpus survival fractions, patron-era gradients, citation-only census of lost poems/codices, in-codex presence rate, bipartite list-vs-shelf mismatch, corroboration asymmetry, single-witness-passage counts), thresholds far from 1 with coverage guards and in-prediction disambiguation. Deliberately DISJOINT from the owned European ground: w01 no.23 'Prose is the ark' owns the skaldic.org stanza-embedding-in-prose fraction, w07 no.5 owns lausavisur legal distribution, w07 no.26 owns kenning-innovation decay, w07 no.37 owns the Mabinogi-as-legal-casebook coding, w07 no.38 owns the composition-vs-manuscript date-gap (uses skaldic.org only as one of four corpora), w07 no.47 owns bishops'-saga miracle registers, and w07 no.36 owns Irish scribal-marginalia seams - none of my operations reuse these; item 4 (treatise-only drapur) is adjacent to w01 no.23's poetics-treatise secondary clause but counts whole-poem transmission channel, not the metrical-anomaly rate, seam flagged. CONFIDENCE FLAGS (named facts kept out of load-bearing thresholds where soft): Skaldatal poet count '~140' is MODERATE (counts vary); the exact number of Snorra-Edda-only eddic compositions is MODERATE (threshold set at a robust >=3, with Grottasongr and Heimdalargaldr as certain); Mac Cana tale-list total '~200' is MODERATE (threshold set as a fraction, not a count); Cin Dromma Snechtai reconstructed contents are MODERATE (scholarly reconstructions differ - Thurneysen vs Carney/McCone); Bromwich TYP triad count '~90+' and survival rate are MODERATE; Ifor Williams's '12' historical Taliesin poems is the standard figure but approximate; White/Red Book single-witness-passage count '>=20' is MODERATE on exact number, robust in direction. Dropped candidates: (a) a lausavisur-only survival-channel item - dropped as duplicating w01 no.23; (b) a kenning-family type-token item - dropped as duplicating w07 no.26; (c) a Codex Regius great-lacuna prose-recovery item - dropped as leaning on the w01 no.23 prose-ark mechanism; (d) a second glossary hapax-rate item (Sanas Cormaic alone) - merged into the single eDIL fossil-bed item to avoid redundancy; (e) an Irish scribal-marginalia item - dropped as owned by w07 no.36. Item 9 (eDIL glossary-only headwords) is flagged not-yet-built: it needs a citation-source-provenance index over eDIL that the public interface does not expose in bulk.
Novelty / leakage triage
anticipated in the literature — this exact test has never been run
The genre-blocks are Mac Cana's own organising fact, and the qualitative gradient is common knowledge - the Ulster-cycle tana and togla survive in strength while barely a tomaidm or tochomlad can still be read - but no published work scores per-prefix survival rates or tests a >=3x best-over-worst ratio under a minimum-group-size guard. Mac Cana's identifications and the CODECS concordance supply everything except the arithmetic itself, and even the eligible-group census (which prefixes clear eight titles) has never been assembled. Nearest prior art is the genre discussion around the lists, not a computation, so the outcome stays formally open.
- P. Mac Cana, The Learned Tales of Medieval Ireland (Dublin, 1980)
- G. Toner, 'Reconstructing the Earliest Irish Tale Lists', Eigse 32 (2000)
- CODECS: Collaborative Online Database and e-Resources for Celtic Studies (A.G. van Hamel Foundation), tale-lists concordance
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