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Claim (verbatim)
The tenso and partimen - staged debate in alternating stanzas, each voice named inside the poem - had a strange archival property: they transmit as one text carrying two names. For a poet whose solo songs never entered a written repertory, being answered or challenged by someone more famous was a back door into parchment. This conjecture claims the dialogue genres functioned as the roster's safety net, and that the catch is countable: a substantial slice of all named troubadours exists in the record only inside a dialogue piece, their entire poetic identity riding as the second voice of someone else's transmission. The mechanism is the compiler's unit of selection - he chose pieces, not poets, so a minor name welded into a major partner's tenso was copied wherever the partner's fame went: Maria de Ventadorn survives as a debater with Gui d'Ussel, Alamanda inside an exchange with Giraut de Bornelh. Each dialogue-only poet is a double datum: proof that the person composed (the genre requires it) and proof that everything they composed alone is gone. The dialogue-only share of the roster is thus a direct, countable measurement of how much of the tradition's membership survived by accident of conversation rather than by merit of repertory - and a floor under the number of solo corpora that vanished whole.
Prediction clause (verbatim)
Prediction: in a BEdT join of genre labels to attributions, at least one in eight of all named troubadours will be attested exclusively in dialogue pieces (tensos, partimens, exchanges of coblas), with no solo lyric under their name (primary clause: the one-in-eight dialogue-only share of the named roster; the verdict follows it). Secondary: dialogue-only poets carry vidas at under a third the rate of poets with solo corpora. A poet whose only solo attestation is a heading BEdT records as contested in favour of another poet counts as dialogue-only under the pinned rule. The test voids if genre labels cover under 80 percent of the corpus.
Kill-dataset (verbatim)
Kill: BEdT genre-by-attribution cross-tabulation - the roster of poets all of whose attested pieces are dialogue-genre, against the full named roster.
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Provenance
Run: Fresh agent generation · model: claude-fable-5
Fresh blind generation by claude-fable-5, 2026-07-17, troubadour/Old Occitan wave instrument-anchored on the BEdT (Bibliografia Elettronica dei Trovatori, bedt.it - per-song PC identities, per-chansonnier attestations, per-witness attributions, genres, dates, music fields), with the printed censuses as controls: Pillet-Carstens 1933, Frank's Repertoire metrique 1953-57, the chansonnier sigla corpus (Brunel 1935; Zufferey 1987), Boutiere-Schutz for vidas/razos, Marshall 1969/1972 for the grammars, van der Werf 1984 for melodies. Every Kill names one instrument and one countable/positional/attestation-geometric operation; thresholds far from 1; disambiguation rules and coverage guards pinned inside each prediction; one item (no. 8, the mention-census diff) carries an honest 'Kill (not yet built)'. DISJOINTNESS from owned European lyric ground, checked by grep across all packets: w01 no.30 'Biography replaces the stage' owns vida/razo geography-of-production (this wave never tests vida presence by region); w07 no.2 'The life replaces the tune' owns the vida-melody substitution and the A/B/I/K-vs-G/R/W/X contrast (this wave's melody items run different arithmetic - per-poet text-mass concentration in no.1 and R's internal empty-stave audit in no.16, both flagged adjacent); w07 no.38 'Anthologies are funerals' owns the composition-to-witness time-lag operation, so that steer was DROPPED here and replaced by the home-vs-export archiving order (no.10, a different geometry, flagged adjacent); w07 no.49 'Hymns steal from love songs' owns melody-concordance contrafacture direction (no.6 here is metrical, within-Occitan, a Frank-scheme ghost-model census, flagged adjacent); w07 no.41 owns Dante-vs-Franco-Italian epic (no.12 here is the De vulgari eloquentia citation channel, a different claim). Honesty flags: melody totals (roughly 250) and the trobairitz roster vary by edition and are pinned to named instruments inside each prediction; gallery-roster identifications follow the critical editions; no in-house BEdT extract exists yet, so 'immediately resolvable' means the instrument is live and public while the harvest itself is a small build.
Novelty / leakage triage
anticipated in the literature — this exact test has never been run
That minor names owe their written existence to dialogue transmission - Maria de Ventadorn riding Gui d'Ussel's exchange, Alamanda riding Giraut de Bornelh's - is a commonplace of the tenso literature, and Harvey and Paterson's critical edition with Frank's genre indices enumerate the dialogue corpus; but the dialogue-only share of the whole named roster has never been counted, so the one-in-eight primary clause is un-run.
- R. Harvey & L. Paterson, The Troubadour Tensos and Partimens: A Critical Edition, 3 vols. (Cambridge, 2010)
- I. Frank, Repertoire metrique de la poesie des troubadours, 2 vols. (Paris, 1953-57)
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